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		<title>By: Sausage &#171; City of God</title>
		<link>http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/10/the-sad-state-of-broadband-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-857</link>
		<dc:creator>Sausage &#171; City of God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of online, why is Canada lagging in broadband internet [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that Sympatico seems to block access to this site.  I had to use a web proxy to access the article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that Sympatico seems to block access to this site.  I had to use a web proxy to access the article!</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/10/the-sad-state-of-broadband-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-853</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something has to change, if we are to progress.  The day is coming when all our movies will be streamed over the internet, no more DVDs etc.  Canada will have to give us the speed and the bandwidth to do so or fall behind in technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something has to change, if we are to progress.  The day is coming when all our movies will be streamed over the internet, no more DVDs etc.  Canada will have to give us the speed and the bandwidth to do so or fall behind in technology.</p>
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		<title>By: End Monopolies</title>
		<link>http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/10/the-sad-state-of-broadband-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-852</link>
		<dc:creator>End Monopolies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canadian broadband does not want consumers interacting with the internet. They only want us to consume. Rogers et al. does not want us to create, they want to dictate to us, they want us to be passive and not cause a fuss.

They have monopoly over infrastructure we allowed them to build on our land. It is about time they start respecting our property before we take it away from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canadian broadband does not want consumers interacting with the internet. They only want us to consume. Rogers et al. does not want us to create, they want to dictate to us, they want us to be passive and not cause a fuss.</p>
<p>They have monopoly over infrastructure we allowed them to build on our land. It is about time they start respecting our property before we take it away from them.</p>
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		<title>By: mjnr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjnr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There _HAS_ to be a way to break the last mile, &quot;two pipes&quot; in to household, duopoly that the telecom and cable companies currently have. 

Why oh why doesn&#039;t someone cover at least Canada&#039;s large urban centre&#039;s in a hybrid fibre / wimax network and offer full service symmetrical service?  Given the number of unhappy Rogers / Bell customers alone I can&#039;t imagine it would be difficult to get people to switch.

In Toronto this is definitely feasible if only someone was willing to try (Cogeco I&#039;m looking at you and your acquisition of the Toronto Hydro fibre backbone).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There _HAS_ to be a way to break the last mile, &#8220;two pipes&#8221; in to household, duopoly that the telecom and cable companies currently have. </p>
<p>Why oh why doesn&#8217;t someone cover at least Canada&#8217;s large urban centre&#8217;s in a hybrid fibre / wimax network and offer full service symmetrical service?  Given the number of unhappy Rogers / Bell customers alone I can&#8217;t imagine it would be difficult to get people to switch.</p>
<p>In Toronto this is definitely feasible if only someone was willing to try (Cogeco I&#8217;m looking at you and your acquisition of the Toronto Hydro fibre backbone).</p>
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		<title>By: Éric St-Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Éric St-Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real objection i have with including the 80$ for 50Mbps service for Vidéotron is that the transfer cap is at 100GB/month combined up/down - this means you will bust your cap within 5 *hours* if you were to fill your pipe. In turn, this means that you simply CANNOT reasonably use this service. 

If you used your connection for 3 hours per day but wanted to stay within your cap (as overages are extremely expensive and UNLIMITED! there is no cap on the overage charges!), you&#039;d have to stick to about 2 Mbps average speed.

80$/month for such a connection is starting to sound like quite a ripoff.

They offer an extra 30GB of transfer for 12.97$/month. You can get up to 3 such packages, but you have to get them in advance and keep them for at least 30 days - they won&#039;t automatically add them if you went over the limit. Going over the limit costs $1.50/GB.

So, if we take the base service and add 3 30GB packages, we&#039;re now at $117.50/month. Now it&#039;ll take you ~8.5h to exceed your cap. If you were to use your service fully - at 50Mbps - for the whole month, you would get a bill for $24132.50. Granted, that&#039;s a lot of data. But i just want to point out how ridiculous the terms of that offer are - it should not be legal.

It CANNOT and should not be advertised as a 50Mbps service.

See http://www.videotron.com/service/internet-services/internet-access/ultimate-50 for details and to check my math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real objection i have with including the 80$ for 50Mbps service for Vidéotron is that the transfer cap is at 100GB/month combined up/down &#8211; this means you will bust your cap within 5 *hours* if you were to fill your pipe. In turn, this means that you simply CANNOT reasonably use this service. </p>
<p>If you used your connection for 3 hours per day but wanted to stay within your cap (as overages are extremely expensive and UNLIMITED! there is no cap on the overage charges!), you&#8217;d have to stick to about 2 Mbps average speed.</p>
<p>80$/month for such a connection is starting to sound like quite a ripoff.</p>
<p>They offer an extra 30GB of transfer for 12.97$/month. You can get up to 3 such packages, but you have to get them in advance and keep them for at least 30 days &#8211; they won&#8217;t automatically add them if you went over the limit. Going over the limit costs $1.50/GB.</p>
<p>So, if we take the base service and add 3 30GB packages, we&#8217;re now at $117.50/month. Now it&#8217;ll take you ~8.5h to exceed your cap. If you were to use your service fully &#8211; at 50Mbps &#8211; for the whole month, you would get a bill for $24132.50. Granted, that&#8217;s a lot of data. But i just want to point out how ridiculous the terms of that offer are &#8211; it should not be legal.</p>
<p>It CANNOT and should not be advertised as a 50Mbps service.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.videotron.com/service/internet-services/internet-access/ultimate-50" rel="nofollow">http://www.videotron.com/service/internet-services/internet-access/ultimate-50</a> for details and to check my math.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Merrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen Merrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Total time spent on the upload was well over two hours. AND, worst of all, after finishing we were obviously placed in to some kind of copyright-infringing bandwidth hogging penalty box at Rogers and the Internet basically crapped out and took some waiting and a number of router reboots to return to normal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Best way to deal with this is to actually remove the power plug from your providers router, wait several minutes while the proms reset and then plug it back in.

What I&#039;d really like to see in Canada is some truth in advertising about internet uplink an downlink speeds.  I have 10mb (supposed) from Bell, in Halifax and I can barely get 800-900K downlinks from really fast websites.  My uplink is around 200-300K.

Sad,crappy and overpriced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Total time spent on the upload was well over two hours. AND, worst of all, after finishing we were obviously placed in to some kind of copyright-infringing bandwidth hogging penalty box at Rogers and the Internet basically crapped out and took some waiting and a number of router reboots to return to normal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Best way to deal with this is to actually remove the power plug from your providers router, wait several minutes while the proms reset and then plug it back in.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d really like to see in Canada is some truth in advertising about internet uplink an downlink speeds.  I have 10mb (supposed) from Bell, in Halifax and I can barely get 800-900K downlinks from really fast websites.  My uplink is around 200-300K.</p>
<p>Sad,crappy and overpriced.</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by enoss: we need better broadband in canada. better policy. better practice. http://noss.org/broadbad...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by enoss: we need better broadband in canada. better policy. better practice. <a href="http://noss.org/broadbad.." rel="nofollow">http://noss.org/broadbad..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Power</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, and for gruel we pay fillet prices</description>
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